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Text and/or other creative content from Dnieper was copied or moved into Dnieper basin on 16:08, 27 April 2023. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

On 7 June 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Dnipro (river). The result of the discussion was not moved.

English name etymology

In [1], @HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith states How is the Belarusian name more related to "Dnipro" than "Dnieper"? Makes no sense to separate the foreign names like this as reason for moving the Russian foreign language note from behind Dnieper to behind both names where now all 3 languages are stated. I think it's debatable whether the Russian note should be behind Dnieper or behind both. It is definitely not true that it "makes no sense to separate the foreign names like this". Linguistically origins of names can be traced. But such a discussion is best left for a 'name' section and kept out of the note in the first sentence, so I agree with lumping all 3 together after the two common names. AncientWalrus (talk) 17:03, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The foreign names already appear in the “Names” section immediately below the lead. There’s no need for cluttering footnote references that link all the way to the bottom of the article. —Michael Z. 20:50, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

They show on click right there at least in my Wikipedia clients. AncientWalrus (talk) 21:43, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, if you click an endnote the test content should appear right where you’re reading.—Ermenrich (talk) 21:53, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I know what it does in visual browsers. But it’s still unnecessary clutter when the same content is inconsistently repeated in the very first body section (DRY).

And it would be one less thing for y’all to argue about the format of. —Michael Z. 00:10, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Island

Boud wrote in edit summary: "quite likely control of other islands in the delta has changed hands several times, but those events would need sources" -= that's quite right. With the additional clarification: we need reliable sources. Mil bloggers and event trackers are not reliable sources for wikipedia. Besides, this is encyclopedia, not newspaper. We are not supposed to write about each daily military move in the war. Wait until the "fog of war" goes away. - Altenmann >talk 17:11, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. More detail: in fact the cited Russian blogger wrote that someone reported that Ukrainian forces were shelling Nestryha and he concluded that Russian forces are there, i.e., no direct knowledge. Maybe Russian just tried to get a foot there. Another Ukrainian source cited wrote that Nestryha is in the "gray zone". So this reaffirms my opinion: too early to write anything about this in Wikipedia. - Altenmann >talk

Alt names

Is there a reason why "Dnipro" and "Dniapro" are chosen as alt names when "Dnepr" generally has higher usage than both of them?[2] They are all mentioned in the footnote but I am not sure why those two specifically are highlighted in bold. Mellk (talk) 08:58, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose because of the conceit that “Dnieper” is the same as “Dnepr”. As to why the others are bolded, they are alternative names in Ukrainian and Belarusian respectively. I’m not sure about Dniapro, but Dnipro is in major western journalistic publications now, like the New York Times.—-Ermenrich (talk) 11:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Dnipro" can probably be considered as an alt name, but I see very little usage of "Dniapro" or "Dnyapro" so I do not think it makes sense to include this in bold. There are also plenty of English-language sources that use "Dnepr" rather than the English name "Dnieper" (after all, the river flows through Russia too). If we include all local names, then there will be too many alt names (see WP:ALTNAMES), but then it does not make to omit "Dnepr" but include "Dniapro". Mellk (talk) 12:17, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would generally agree with removing Dniapro. I suspect adding "Dnepr" may result in some edit warring, but it seems reasonable to me.--Ermenrich (talk) 14:31, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]