Talk:Jayne Mansfield

Image

I changed the image from A to B. Obviously, B is a better, higher quality and color image. However, it was changed back. What should the image be

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  Image A
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  Image B

Wcamp9 (talk) 20:30, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Already  Done. B should remain in the Infobox and A in the body of the article. Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 21:45, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

I disagree on the quality of B over A. I think A is more focused on her face and personality. B doesn't seem to be of higher quality at all, she has more of a forced smile and what the photographer was focusing on?...the angle, frankly, seems odd, shot as it was from a low aspect and looking up at Mansfield's body and face. B&W vs color makes no difference to me. - Shearonink (talk) 00:23, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

How about C:

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  Image C

- Shearonink (talk) 02:14, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, I like both A and B better than C, and prefer leaving the article as it is now, and per the opinion of Wcamp9. If Wcamp9 and I end up in the minority in the future, I would compromise by exchanging A and B, but rather not. Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 02:30, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

I think the present infobox image would be much improved as the infobox image if - keeping in mind the rule of thirds & headroom - it were more focused on Mansfield's face. I am going to edit the image and if it turns out alright, I'll post the result here etc.. - Shearonink (talk) 15:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

How's this:

It eliminates the unfortunate angle and focuses more on the subject's face. - Shearonink (talk) 19:10, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Changed my mind – now I would prefer A and put the full body B in the article. Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 21:32, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Death Location

why is Jayne Mansfeilds death location in some articles,listed as Jefferson Co.,Ky with actual Photos.But the Wikipedia list her death location as Slidell,La? 2600:1004:B32E:B098:0:46:863C:DD01 (talk) 05:29, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

Can you cite the articles and photos which show the Kentucky location? Her article's death location is supported by reliable sources and the death location places it 1 mile (1.6 km) west of the Rigolets Bridge which is shown here. It appears the wreck was closest to Slidell, so it was the location used. Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 06:53, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

Cause of death

Cause of death is disputed in the entry, and states that the official cause of death “rules out” decapitation due to the description “avulsion of cranium and brain “. But “avulsion” means “ripped off” or “forcible detachment” and “cranium” refers to the part of the skull that holds the brain, therefore avulsion of cranium and brain sounds like a decapitation to me. Deederoo (talk) 17:53, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

The article is correct. With cranium avulsion the head remains attached. Wikiarticle: "Decapitation is the total separation of the head from the body." Merriam-Webster: "to cut off the head of: BEHEAD". Cambridge: "the action of cutting off the head of a person or an animal". See, also, this fact check. Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 19:28, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

First names only to readers in infobox?

Some edits have been converting the Wikilinks for Mansfield's notable children in the article's infobox to only their first names. My viewpoint is clear - per WP:TONE this style of rendering notable people's names is not encyclopedic in tone. But. Let's discuss. - Shearonink (talk) 18:47, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Agree. Their names should be listed as do their articles. WP:WHATISTOBEDONE Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 20:41, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

I think it's fine to list first names when they are the same as the article subject - it appears the vast majority of bio articles do this. glman (talk) 20:47, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Calling a child or a spouse by their first name *only* seems not encyclopedic and almost demeaning to me, as if we're not giving them their full name. Their full name, as listed on their Wikipedia article, as the person is known by the public, seems more fitting in tone.

Glman I don't quite understand your post. Do you mean "I think it's fine to list first names when [the last names] are the same as the article subject"? I have run into a situation where an editor was only listing Carol Burnett's notable children in the article infobox by their first name and they all have her first husband's last name... - Shearonink (talk) 22:23, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

I haven't seen this in a vast majority of bio articles but, if so, it doesn't mean it's correct. Unfortunately there is a lot of incorrectness in articles. Besides WP:TONE and WP:WHATISTOBEDONE, I agree with Shearonink that it's demeaning. It's also impertinent, patronizing, and infantilization. Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 23:20, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

I support use of the name that appears as the title of the person's article, and I have at times made that change in infoboxes. I agree that use of the longer name seems appropriate in light of WP:TONE.

Do any infoboxes omit surnames of parents or spouses because the last name is the same? I am not aware of any that do so. Shouldn't we be consistent? Why should sons and daughters' names be treated differently? Eddie Blick (talk) 00:33, 6 May 2025 (UTC)